Intelligent CISO Issue 17 | Page 53

COVER STORY thing or something else, so it’s really important that, when we pass that business case across the table, we can look the CFO, CIO and other stakeholders in the eye and say we genuinely believe that it’s in the best interest of Camelot to be doing that.” The skills shortage Boda believes the private sector has a role to play in helping to combat the ongoing cyberskills shortage, alongside government initiatives. “I think you recruit a team, you don’t recruit individuals, so you have to have a balance of people that do have experience, but you should also be taking people and training them up,” he said. Camelot has an internal red team which is used for running simulated attacks against the organisation itself. understand each other’s perspectives and build relationships with each other. It’s about long-term partnerships, it’s not about transactional things and, through that understanding and relationship building, then the whole buy-sell becomes a lot easier.” On selecting vendors There are many vendors offering a multitude of products and solutions. For Boda and his team, the selection process is driven predominantly by the organisation’s three-year information security strategy. If approached by a vendor, Boda says he is open and transparent about their offering not being part of the organisation’s roadmap at that time, but the solutions are given due consideration in a thorough testing phase when the time is right. “If we’re doing a security thing, it means we’re not spending on a commercial www.intelligentciso.com | Issue 17 “If the only time you see bad stuff happening is when bad stuff is actually happening, then you’re probably not going to react to it very well but if you’re constantly practicing that then your judgement calls are going to be better, so we use that red team capability as a core part of our learning and development as a team,” he said. The importance of ongoing training A key part of Camelot’s overall strategy is around building a strong security culture. It’s not just about ‘putting posters up in the canteen’ – it’s about understanding how to create a behavioural change. One recent example involved inviting a comedian to speak during a lunch session. His sketch is based around his experience of having his identity stolen when he was younger. “It’s not ramming security down people’s throats, but for that hour they’re thinking about security and, at the end of it, I talked about how his experience related practically and what it means for Camelot,” Boda said. “If, hypothetically speaking, The National Lottery contact centre wasn’t carrying out data protection checks properly It’s really important that, when we pass that business case across the table, we can look the CFO, CIO and other stakeholders in the eye and say we genuinely believe that it’s in the best interest of Camelot to be doing that. or if we were socially engineered into giving out information, that means personal information could be compromised. We really landed those key messages in a much more effective and memorable way.” On what makes a good CISO “Someone who has got a good broad range of skillsets, from the commercial business side of things to being able to talk credibly, technically,” Boda states. “It doesn’t mean they need to have a comprehensive understanding of every detail but they need to be able to ask the right, probing questions, draw out the issues and be able to communicate those effectively. “Some CISOs are much better at being able to communicate with the board and bounce ideas around how they’ve done that, or being really good at presenting metrics. Some are great at challenging their team or vendors and really asking the probing questions. “We’ve all got our strengths and weaknesses, and being able to help each other out is really valuable.” u 53